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Alice St. John

Female Abt 1140 -



  • Name Alice St. John 
    • 1. ALICE ST. JOHN, I11751 Alleged Daughter Thomas, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng married Richard de Mont and had a son, Gilbert de Mont, aged 15 years in 1185 and his younger brother Philip de Mont. Domesday Descendants incorrectly names "Richard de Monte (Mont-Saint-Michel) and Alice, sister of John of St John" as the parents of Gilbert de Monte. The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records that “heres Gilberti de Monte…xv annorum” was "nepos [grandson, nephew, or descendant of] Thome de Sancto Johanne et Johannis de Sancto Johanne et Hugonis de Plugenet et Willelmi Fossard". (Note: Based on the birth year of her son, it seems unreasonable that Alice could be the sister to Thomas and John in the previous generation. It seems more reasonable she is the daughter of Thomas. Another possibility is that Alice is the child of Thomas and her husband, Richard is actually Richard St. John son of John St. John, Thomas’ brother and the other two men listed (Hugh Plugenet and William Fossard) could represent the maternal fathers for Thomas and John’s wives. A William Fossard was living circa 1150 and was documented in charter 502: Confirmation of foundation of Watton Priory, co. York. A Hugh Plantagenet was the son of Henry Plantagent (1133-1189: Henry II of England) and Eleanor Aquitaine. Another Hugh Plantagenet or Hugh of Wells and sometimes known as Hugh Troteman was the son of Edward of Wells.
    Born abt. 1140 
    Gender Female 
    Generation 05 of Thomas St. John I10625  
    Generation 06 of Thomas St. John I10622 (alt) 
    Person ID I11751  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database | St. John Generation One - Raoul de Sancto Johanne
    Last Modified 22 Apr 2016 

    Father Thomas St. John,   b. 1090,   d. 1176  (Age 86 years) 
    Family ID F4862  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Father Thomas St. John,   b. 1045,   d. 1121-1140  (Age 95 years) 
    Family ID F4893  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Richard (St. John?) de Mont St. Michel,   b. abt. 1140 
    Children 
     1. Gilbert (St. John?) de Mont St. Michel,   b. 1170  [Birth]  [Adopted]
    Last Modified 18 Jul 2015 
    Family ID F4864  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart


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