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Thomas St. John, II, of Stanton-St. John

Male 1130 - Bef 1176  (45 years)

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  • Name Thomas St. John 
    • THOMAS ST. JOHN I10622 John, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng was named in a deed of 1149, John de St. John implied that his son Thomas was his heir, and by 1168 this Thomas was holding the Stanton-St. John property as Lord of Stanton-St. John and succeeded by his brother Roger by 1176. Domesday Descendants states that Thomas, Roger and William were the sons of Jean de Saint-Jean, adding that William was rector of Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire, but does not cite the primary sources on which this information is based. In 14 Henry II [1147], the St. John?s held Swallowfield. Amongst the Barons? Charters of 1166-8 is one in which William de Newburgh, Earl of Warwick, says: ?Swalewefeld and Silengesfeld, which should be my demesne, are held by Thomas St. John and his mother; suggesting his father was by then deceased.? Note: Swallowfield and its Owners states this Thomas is the second son of John St. John of Stanton-St. John, Oxfordshire, and grandson of William de St. John, the first of the name who came from Normandy to England. A footnote states: Wace, in his Roman de Rou, mentions the men of St. Johan as taking part in the battle of Hastings, and tradition says that the horse-hames or collars with which Lord Bollingbroke?s supporters are charged perpetuate the fact that a St. John had charge of the transport of the Normans. Wace was a Norman poet and chronicler living circa 1110 to 1174 and is sometimes referred to as Robert Wace. This work, created probably between 1155 and his death, was commissioned by King Henry II of England [r. 1133-1189]. Wace?s reference to oral tradition within his own family suggests that his account of the preparations for the Conquest and the Battle of Hastings may have been reliant not only on documentary evidence but also on eyewitness testimony from close relations ? though no eyewitnesses would have been still alive when he began work on the text. In the ?Pleas of the Forest? of Alan de Neville, Chief Justice of the Forests for the year 1166-7, we find that Swalefeld and Shinningeffeld owe two marks, and in 1167-8 that they render account of two marks and Thomas de St. John is pardoned two marks by the King?s writ and he is quit. This was the result of the itinerant survey of the forests which was ordered in 1167 ?for the purpose of collecting the aid which Henry demanded for the marriage of his eldest daughter.? The website has a section on The Battle Abbey Roll with some account of the Norman Lineages featuring a page on Sent Iohn. The first paragraph misleads the reader concerning the genealogical record as a whole.

      The second paragraph states Thomas St. John was living in 1166, and bestowed lands on the monks of St. Peter?s, as his father [cousin William St. John m. Oliva] had done. His son, Sir John de St. John, went with Coeur de Lion to the Holy Land, and, at the siege of Acre, was one of the chosen knights whom the King, ?on the inspiration of St. George, had distinguished by causing them to tie a thong or garter around the leg.? The source of this information was given in a 1527 Master of the Rolls at the investiture of Francis I.

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      "I can find no evidence this Thomas had a son named John, especially given his younger brother Roger succeeded him as heir. If such a John existed, he died before 1176 without issue."

      UPDATE: I now believe this Thomas had a son named John and that afterward he went to Limerick, Ireland as John St. John Treasurer of Limerick and then Bishop of Ferns. He was then the progenitor of the St. John lineage found in Wexford and Tipperary Ireland. 28 Sep 2018 Suzanne St. John

    Suffix II, of Stanton-St. John 
    Born 1090-1130 
    Gender Male 
    Fact 1 1149  Stanton-St. John, Oxfordshire, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    named heir to his father John of St. John-St. John. 
    Generation 05 
    Died bef. 1176 
    • His brother Roger was holding Stanton-St. John. His son John was removed from Roger's heir and placed under Geoffrey de Luci when Roger died in 1214.
    Record Status 28 Sep 2018 
    Record Complete  
    Person ID I10622  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database | St. John Generation One - Raoul de Sancto Johanne
    Last Modified 28 Sep 2018 

    Father John St. John, I of Stanton-St. John,   b. abt. 1055, St. Jean-le-Thomas, Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. aft. 1149, Oxford, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 95 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Relationship Birth 
    Family ID F3445  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    +1. John St. John, Knight; alleged son of Thomas St. John, of Stanton-St. John; Treasurer of Limerick; Bishop of Ferns; Fought in Battle of Acre 1189-1191,   b. c. 1160,   d. 1243-1253, Tipperary, Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 93 years)  [putative]
    Last Modified 28 Sep 2018 
    Family ID F4862  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

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