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Roger St. John

Roger St. John

Male Abt 1165 - 1214  (~ 49 years)

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  • Name Roger St. John 
    • Church of Osney
      1190 c. ?
      Gave the Church of Barton to the Monks of Osney, c. 1190 (Regist. de Osney No 143).
    • Source 1
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 340 Lucy of Egremont, FHL microfilm 170065 (Reliability: 3).
    • Source 2
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 478 St. Amand, FHL microfilm 170066, 3/3 (Reliability: 3).
    • Source 3
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 479 St. John of Stanton, Lagham, and etc., FHL microfilm 170066, 3/3 (Reliability: 3).
    • ROGER ST. JOHN, I10616 John, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng was heir to his brother, Thomas. Lord of Stanton-St. John by 1176. Domesday Descendants states that Thomas, Roger and William were the sons of Jean de Saint-Jean, adding that William was rector of Steeple Barton, Oxfordshire, but does not cite the primary sources on which this information is based.
    • ROGER ST. JOHN I10616 John, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng was heir to his brother, Thomas. He succeeded as Lord of Stanton-St. John by 1176. He was the second son and second in line heir of JOHN ST. JOHN and _____ _____. He was probably born in Headington, Oxfordshire, England. In 1176, Roger de St. John was ‘assessed £133 6s. 8d. for trespassing in the King’s Forests in Com. Oxon.’ Circa 1190, he donated to the Church of Osney where he gave the Church of Barton to the Monks of Osney (Regist. De Osney No. 143). He held the estate of Stanton-St. John and Swallowfield in Oxfordshire, England. Roger de St. John, obtained from Richard de Lucie, with the marriage of Cecily his sister, in or before February 1193, a moiety of the lordship of Wolenestede (Godstone), in the county of Surrey. She was the daughter of Reynold de Lucy of Copeland & Egremont and Amabel Fitzwilliam, Heiress of Copeland, Whitehaven, Cumberland, England; and the sister of Richard de Lucy of Egremont.
      Note: There is an unsourced claim that Roger de St. John was succeeded in 1216 by his son John de St. John whose wardship and marriage Geoffrey de Luci gave 300 marks and married him [John] to his daughter. John was made ward of Geoffrey de Lucy 12 Nov 1214, then aged 18 (CI. 16 Joh, m 17) but this John married Emma Harcourt. And it was John’s father Roger that married Cecily de Lucy, sister of Richard de Lucy of Ergemont; Geoffrey de Lucy is said to be the son of Richard de Lucy (c. 1089-1179), Justice of England.) I have been unable to review this source myself and therefore am unable to resolve this conflict. For time-period confirmation, we can see Richard de Lucy, in 1200, son of Reginald de Lucy and Amabel de Ergemont gave to the king 300 marks of silver for having his land in Copeland and in “Cautebige” which was in the king’s hand, and for marrying as he wished, and for having his reasonable share falling to him from the land which he claimed against B[aldwin] (de Bethune) count of Aumale and his wife and against Robert de Curtenay and Alice his wife; for which fine he was to quit of his relief; the fine was to be paid in installments, Richard himself being pledge for 100 marks, and the sheriff of Carlisle being ordered, after receiving security for the remainder, to deliver his land to him. The whole fine was paid by Michaelmas 1200.
      On Monday, July 25, 1205, King John [John Lackland] visited Swallowfield, and again on Wednesday, May 3, 1206, he went there and ‘tested three charters to the bailiff of Bath, and custodians of vacant bishoprics and tenants thereof respectively, the bishopric then being in the King’s hands.’
    Born abt. 1165  Headington, Oxfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Birth
      Headington, Oxfordshire, England
      KINSHIP: Son and heir
    • birth changed from about 1119 to about 1150 because I have this Roger in the wrong generation. This Roger needs to be the son of Thomas (currently placed as his brother).
    Gender Male 
    Fact 1 1190  Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Church of Osney
    1190 c. ?
    Gave the Church of Barton to the Monks of Osney, c. 1190 (Regist. de Osney No 143). 
    Generation 05 
    Died 1214  Wokingham, Berkshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Death
      1214 ?
      Wokingham, Berkshire, England
      DEATH: Date Shortly before 23 May 1214, when the manor of Swallowfield was assignmed for the maintenance of Cecily his widow (Cl.16 Joh.p 3.m 6).
    Record Status 30 Aug 2014 
    Record Complete  
    Person ID I10616  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database | St. John Generation One - Raoul de Sancto Johanne
    Last Modified 2 Nov 2018 

    Father Thomas St. John, II, of Stanton-St. John,   b. 1090-1130,   d. bef. 1176  (Age 45 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Family ID F4862  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Cecily de Lucy 
    Married Feb 1193  Cumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. John St. John,   b. bef. 1196, Lageham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1230, Osaney Abbey, Headington, Oxford, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 34 years)  [Birth]
     2. Thomas St. John,   b. abt. 1200  [Birth]
     3. William St. John,   b. abt. 1202  [Birth]
    Last Modified 1 Nov 2018 
    Family ID F3444  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - abt. 1165 - Headington, Oxfordshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Church of Osney 1190 c. ? Gave the Church of Barton to the Monks of Osney, c. 1190 (Regist. de Osney No 143). - 1190 - Devon, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - Feb 1193 - Cumberland, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 1214 - Wokingham, Berkshire, England Link to Google Earth
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    Direct decendant of St. John at St. Jean-le-Thomas, Normandy, France


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