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John St. John

Male Bef 1196 - 1230  (~ 34 years)


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  • Name John St. John 
    • Church of Osney
      Confirmed his father's grants to Osney (Reg. de Osney, No 130).
    • Source 1
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 271 Harcourt, FHL microfilm 170065 (Reliability: 3).
    • Source 2
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 478 St. Amand, FHL microfilm 170066, 3/3 (Reliability: 3).
    • Source 3
      Paget Heraldic Baronage, Paget, Gerald, (Manuscript, filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1957), chart no. 479 St. John of Stanton, Lagham, and etc., FHL microfilm 170066, 3/3 (Reliability: 3).
    • JOHN ST. JOHN I10614: Roger, John, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng was born before 1196. He was aged at least 18 years old in 1214 where he was named son and heir of his father and placed under the wardship of Geoffrey de Lucy (CI. 16 Joh.m 17).
    • JOHN ST. JOHN, KNIGHT I10614 Roger, John, Raoul, Rodulf, Esperleng was the only son of ROGER ST. JOHN and CECILY DE LUCY. He was born between 1185 and 1196. He was aged at least 18 years old in 1214 where he was named son and heir of his father and placed under the wardship of Geoffrey de Lucy. Being placed under wardship suggests he was not aged 21 years old for age of majority or aged 30 years old for age of maturity. His father’s grants to Osney were confirmed. He married the daughter of Richard the Seigneur de Harcourt, Emma. They descended from the same ancestors as the Harcourts of Stanton Harcourt in Oxfordshire. In 1225, he was engaged in escorting the Fifteenth collected in Oxon to Oxford, and was appointed a Justice to take assizes of novel disseisin &c., and again in 1228. In or before 1228 he was knighted. During that same year, 1228, he acquired lands in Ashleigh (Devon), England.
    MILI 1191 
    Battle of Acre 1191
    Another publication, Battle Abbey Roll Volume 3 , says that this Sir John de St. John (incorrectly naming him as the son of Thomas St. John living in 1166; and father of Roger St. John who died in 1265) went with Coeur de Lion [Richard I, the Lionheart (1157-1199)] to the Holy Land, and, at the siege of Acrew (1191), was one of the chosen knights whom the King, “on inspiration of St. George, had distinguished by causing them to tie a thong or garter around the leg.” This John St. John was born before 1191 but probably not before 1185; whereby he would have been just a boy during the Siege of Acre in 1191.
    The John St. John, in Generation four, was succeeded by his son Thomas by 1168, making it impossible for that John to be at the Siege of Acre in 1191. Thomas died without issue and his estate passed to his younger brother, by 1176, Roger (Generation 5) who was living during the time of The Siege of Acre in 1191 but there is no mention of him participating. His son, another John, as stated was at best, just a boy during this event; it seems unlikely that he was born about 1176 to participate in this event. (He was aged at least 18 years old in 1214 where he was named son and heir of his father and placed under the wardship of Geoffrey de Lucy (CI. 16 Joh.m 17) probably until he was aged 21, making him unlikely to have been born any earlier than 1193, two years after the event but clearly no earlier than 1185, just a boy at the time of the event).
    There was a second “Siege of Acre” also called the Fall of Acre that occurred in 1291 which seems to be more in line with Generation Eight, John St. John, 1st Baron St. John of Lageham resulting in the creation of the Barony of Lageham. (Another possibility is that if such a John St. John was with Richard I, then he is probably in the de Port-St. John line but this also seems unlikely Another publication, names the man at the Siege of Acre as a Thomas St. John but I likewise can find no such Thomas living during this time period.)
     
    Born bef. 1196  Lageham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Lageham, Surrey, England
      Aged at least 18 in 1214 / KINSHIP: Son and heir.
    • Ward of Geoffrey de Lucy
      1214 12 Nov ? Age: 18
      Ward of Geoffrey de Lucy, 12 Nov 1214 (Cl.16 Joh.m 17).
    Gender Male 
    Generation 06 
    Religion Devon, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Church of Osney
    Confirmed his father's grants to Osney (Reg. de Osney, No 130). 
    Died 1230  Osaney Abbey, Headington, Oxford, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Death
      1230 ? Age: 34
      Osaney Abbey, Headington, Oxford, England
      died before 23 Jan 1229-1230 / DEATH: Date Shortly before 23 Jan 1230, when Geoffrey le Despenser gave £100 for the custody of his lands and heir (Rot.fin.14 Hen.3. m 9).
    Record Status 30 Aug 2014 
    Record Complete  
    Person ID I10614  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database | St. John Generation One - Raoul de Sancto Johanne
    Last Modified 15 May 2017 

    Father Roger St. John,   b. abt. 1165, Headington, Oxfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1214, Wokingham, Berkshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 49 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Mother Cecily de Lucy 
    Relationship Birth 
    Married Feb 1193  Cumberland, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F3444  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Emma Harcourt,   b. 1206, Defford, Worcestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Nov 1265, Portchester, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 59 years) 
    Married abt. 1219 
    Children 
    +1. Roger St. John, of Stanton-St. John,   b. abt. 1220, Lageham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Aug 1265, Evesham, Worcestershire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 45 years)  [Birth]
     2. John St. John,   b. abt. 1222  [Birth]
     3. Cecily St. John,   b. abt. 1224  [Birth]
    Last Modified 1 Nov 2018 
    Family ID F3443  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - bef. 1196 - Lageham, Surrey, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsReligion - Church of Osney Confirmed his father's grants to Osney (Reg. de Osney, No 130). - - Devon, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 1230 - Osaney Abbey, Headington, Oxford, England Link to Google Earth
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