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Sir John (II) St. John, Knight

Sir John (II) St. John, Knight[1]

Male Abt 1363 - Abt 1429  (~ 66 years)

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  • Name John (II) St. John  [2
    • of East Luccombe, Odyn's Fee, Ucheolau, Weobley
    Prefix Sir  
    Suffix Knight 
    Born abt. 1363  New Sarum (Salsbury), Wiltshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • New Sarum (Salsbury), Wiltshire, England
      not aged 21 by 1381; Father dies circa 1376 beyond the seas and IPM says died without issue; Mother contests this against Oliver's brother Henry circa 1381-1384; of age Jan 1384
    Gender Male 
    Also Known As Possibly John St. John of Breconshire
    of, Wymlett, Gwyr commote, Glamorganshire, Wales 
    Also Known As Previous Historians incorrectly Merged with Alexander St. John of Instow and incorrectly Merged with John St. John of Bletso d. 1424 
    Fact 2 3 Feb 1383  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Possibly spouse identity? Marriage to _____ Mowbray
    1383 3 Feb ? Age: 20
    Glamorgan, Wales
    Calendar Patent Rolls Richard II, p. 260 
    Fact 1 26 Jun 1383  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Granted to Custodian under marriage contract: Thomas Mowbray
    1383 26 Jun ? Age: 20
    Calendar Patent Rolls Richard II, p. 290 
    Fact 2 abt. 1384  Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Birth of child, Oliver St. John
    1384 abt. ? Age: 21
    This Oliver, historically speaking, has not existed to most researchers therefore he has not been properly identified; it is clear he fits this family as he is the bearer of Odyn's Fee (Penmark Place) granted to his parents. 
    Fact 1 1385  Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Heir of Successon for Penmark (Odyn's Fee)
    1385 ? Age: 22
    Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales
    Henry & Isabella -- Elizabeth (Furneaux) Blount -- Alice (Blount) Sturrey -- John St. John -- Walter Graunt -- Hugh Taple -- John Whitefeld -- John de Arundell 
    Fact 1 1385  Luccombe, Somerset, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Possible NPE or Stolen Paternal Birthright
    1385 ? Age: 22
    Luccombe, Somerset, England
    court ruled this John was an "infant Bastard" and Henry St. John acquired the paternal estate of East Luccombe. Note: see story attached for definition of Bastard in Wales. 
    Fact 1 17 Jan 1385  Instow, Devon, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    John Seynt Johan to Walter de Lokyngton clerk. Recognisance for 200l., to be levied etc. in Devon.
    Cancelled on payment.
    Indenture of defeasance of the foregoing recognisance, upon condition that John Seint Johan shall pay a rent charge of 10l. a year, which he has granted to Walter Lokyngton clerk of the manor of Yenstowe co. Devon, in the New Temple church at London at Easter and Michaelmas or within fifteen days after by even portions; with covenant that when the recognisance shall be put in execution the rent charge shall cease. Dated 20 January 8 Richard II. French.
    Memorandum of acknowledgment by the said Walter, 20 January.

    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/ric2/vol2/pp603-604 
    Fact 1 14 Feb 1385  Instow, Devon, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    John Seint Johan to Walter de Lokyngton clerk and his assigns. Gift for life of a yearly rent of 10l. of his manor of Yenstowe co. Devon, payable in the New Temple church London, and bond for payment thereof; and he has given the said Walter 1d. in name of seisin. Dated 17 January 8 Richard II.
    Memorandum of acknowledgment, 17 January.
    Memorandum (in margin) that on 15 March 11 Richard II Walter de Lokyngton came into chancery at Westminster and gave up this writing to John Seint Johan, discharging him and his heirs of the rent therein mentioned.

    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/ric2/vol2/pp607-609 
    Fact 1 15 Mar 1388  Instow, Devon, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    John Seynt John knight to John de Humbelton esquire. Recognisance for 200l., to be levied etc. in Devon.
    John Seynt John knight and John de Humbleton esquire. Indenture of defeasance of the foregoing recognisance, upon condition that a rent charge of 10l. of the manor of Yenstowe granted by the said knight shall be truly paid at London at the New Temple church; and of the said rent charge whensoever that recognisance shall be put in execution. Dated 16 March 11 Richard II. French.
    Sir John Seynt John and John de Humbleton esquire. Indenture of further defeasance, dated 17 March 11 Richard II, reciting the grant of the rent (above mentioned), the (foregoing) recognisance and indenture of defeasance, upon condition that the said knight shall pay the said rent at Bristol in the church of St. Nicholas by the Bridge to John de Humbleton or his assigns having power under his seal to receive the same and give acquittance, when he shall be discharged of payment thereof at London. French.
    Memorandum of acknowledgment by the parties of the foregoing indentures, 17 March.

    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/ric2/vol3/pp473-481
     
    Fact 1 21 Mar 1388  Instow, Devon, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    John Seynt John knight to John de Humbleton esquire and his assigns. Gift for life of a yearly rent of 10l., to be taken of the manor of Yenstowe co. Devon, payable at London in the New Temple church; and he has paid 1d. in name of seisin. Dated 10 March 11 Richard II.
    Memorandum of acknowledgment in chancery at Westminster, 15 March.

    https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-close-rolls/ric2/vol3/pp473-481 
    Fact 2 abt. 1390  Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Birth of child, Agnes St. John
    1390 abt. ? Age: 27
    Glamorgan, Wales
    She acquires Weobley from her grandparents, after it was passed to her father, John St. John of Weobley. She clearly fits this family. 
    Fact 1 1395  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Heir of Weobley
    1395 abt. ? Age: 32
    Glamorganshire, Wales
    found cousin and heir to Sir John Delabere 
    Fact 2 abt. 1396  Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Birth of child, Alexander St. John
    1390 abt. ? Age: 27
    Glamorgan, Wales
    C 1/1059/66: Stradlyng v Seynt John. Plaintiffs: Robert STRADLYNG, [grandson ?] and heir of Alexander Seynt John. Defendants: William SEYNT JOHN. Subject: Manor of Yughawley, formerly of John Seynt John, knight, father of the said Alexander. Glamorgan 
    Fact 2 1397  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Sheriff of Glamorgan
    1397 ? Age: 34
    Glamorgan, Wales
    incorrectly merged with John St. John of Bletso 
    Occupation Feb 1397  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Sheriff (for Thomas, lord Despenser)

    Source: Cartae Glam. ed. Clark, 1409, 1416-17, 1426. 
    Charter 16 Feb 1397  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    CCCIX
    Inspeximus by Thomas le Despenser and Elizabeth his wife of the charters of Edward his father and Hugh his great-uncle to the Burgesses of Cardiff, with confirmation of the same.

    "...his testibus dominis Johanne de Sancto Johanne tuno vicecomite nostro Glamorgancie domino Willelmo Stradlyng militibus..."

     
    Fact 7 Sep 1399  Venice, Venezia, Veneto, Italy Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Death of Thomas Mowbray, custodian
    1399 Sep ? Age: 36
    Venice, Venezia, Veneto, Italy 
    Fact 6 1401  Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Held the fee of Uchelolau
    1400 c. ? Age: 37
    Glamorgan, Wales
    PRO, C 1/1059/66; NLW Wales 22/Roll 7, Glamorgan Plea Roll. 
    Fact 5 1401-1402  Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Received Thomas & Elizabeth Mowbray dower
    1401 -1402 ? Age: 38
    Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales
    receiver of the dower properties in the lordship of Gower held by Elizabeth Mowbray, dowager (widow) duchess of Norfolk. Griffiths, i, 131 
    Fact 1 1415 
    1415. Membrane 10 cont.

    came to the hands of Henry IV and are still in the king's hand by the death of Laurence Berkkerolles and by reason of the minority of Thomas de la Beer, son of John ; and that all the aforesaid lands and tenements are held of Isabel wife of Richard de Bello Campo of Bergevenny, ' chivaler,' as of the lordship of Kerdyf and the county of Glomorgan by service of a moiety of a knight's fee ; and that the said Thomas de la Beer died on 28 October last ; and that John Seint Johan, ' chivaler,' son of Elizabeth one of the sisters of John de la Beer, ' chivaler,' the father of John the father of the said Thomas de la Beer, and John Basset, esquire, son of Margaret the second sister of the said John de la Beer, ' chivaler,' are the kinsmen and next heirs of the said Thomas, and of full age ; to take the fealties of the said John Seint Johan and John Basset, make a partition of the premises into two equal parts, and cause the said John Seint Johan and John Basset to have full seisin of their pourparties. 
    Fact 2 1414-1415  Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Steward of the lordship of Chepstow
    1414 -1415 ? Age: 51
    Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
    for the Mowbrays; Earls of Marshal 
    Fact 1 1397-1421  Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Steward of the lordship of Gower
    1397 -1421 ? Age: 34
    Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales
    for the Mowbrays; Earls of Marshal; Cartae Glam. ed. Clark, 1427, 1428, 1481; R.E. Archer, ?The Mowbrays? (Oxf. Univ. D.Phil. thesis, 1984), p. 353. It is possible, as Griffiths suggests (i. 130), that St. John did not hold office continuously through per. 
    Charter 1 May 1423  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    CCCXXXVII.
    Isabel, Countess of Worcester. Confirmation Charter to the Burgesses of Kenfig.

    "...Hiis testibus venerablilibus viris Willelmo abbate de Margan Lleisant abbate de Neth Johanne Stradelyng tuno vicecomite Glamorgancie Johanne de sancto Johanne Olivero de sancto Johanne et Edwardo Stradelyng militibus Johanne Lau[r]ence Roberto Walsshe Waltero Moreton armigeris et multis aliis..." 
    Fact 1 1421-1429  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Witnessed several Glamorgan Charters
    1421 -1429 ? Age: 58
    Glamorgan, Wales
    Merged with John St. John of Bletso 
    Died abt. 1429  Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • son's held lands following his death divided between Oliver and Alexander; daughter Agnes St. John Rodney had Weobley.
    Charter 1 Apr 1429  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    CCCXLIV
    Grant by Sir Edward Stradling to Henry, Cardinal Beaufort.
    [G.G.F.]
    1 April. 7 HRN: VI. 1429

    "...Hiis testibus Johanne Seynt John milite..." 
    Charter 4 Dec 1441  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  [6
    CCCLVII.
    A Recovery of the Manor of Lanfey in the court of Ogmore. 4 Dec. 20 Hen. VI. 1441

    "...Hiis testibus Johanne Saynt John Olivero Seynt Johan militibus..." 
    Fact 3 Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Dep. justiciar of South Wales by
    South Wales, Glamorgan, Wales
    Griffiths, i, 130 
    Fact 4 Dep. chamberlain of South Wales by
    South Wales, Glamorgan, Wales
    Griffiths, i, 182 
    Generation 12 
    Record Status 30 Aug 2014 
    Record Complete  
    Person ID I10590  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database | St. John Generation One - Raoul de Sancto Johanne
    Last Modified 5 Nov 2018 

    Father John (I) St. John,   b. abt. 1339, East Luccombe, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. abt. 1374, Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 35 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Mother Elizabeth de la Bere,   b. abt. 1355, Weobley Castle, Llanrhidian, Swansea, West Glamorgan SA3 1HB, United Kingdom ‎ Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 13 May 1428  (Age ~ 73 years) 
    Relationship Birth 
    Married abt. 1360  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • "Elizabeth, da. of Sir John de la Bere, widow of John, son of Oliver St. John, asserts a certain boy named John to be son and heir of John de St. John, son and heir of Oliver. [East Luccombe]
    Family ID F3435  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Married abt. 1381  Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. Oliver St. John, of Odyn's Fee (Penmark Place),   b. abt. 1375,   d. aft. 1441  (Age ~ 67 years)  [Birth]
    +2. Agnes St. John,   b. abt. 1390,   d. 1420  (Age ~ 30 years)  [Birth]
     3. _____ St. John,   b. 1395, Lageham, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. bef. Jul 1414, Glamorgan, Wales Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 19 years)  [Birth]
    +4. Sir Alexander St. John, , of Uchel-olau,,   b. abt. 1396, Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. abt. 1480, Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 84 years)  [Birth]
    Last Modified 4 Aug 2015 
    Family ID F3434  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsFact 2 - Birth of child, Oliver St. John 1384 abt. ? Age: 21 This Oliver, historically speaking, has not existed to most researchers therefore he has not been properly identified; it is clear he fits this family as he is the bearer of Odyn's Fee (Penmark Place) granted to his parents. - abt. 1384 - Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Heir of Successon for Penmark (Odyn's Fee) 1385 ? Age: 22 Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales Henry & Isabella -- Elizabeth (Furneaux) Blount -- Alice (Blount) Sturrey -- John St. John -- Walter Graunt -- Hugh Taple -- John Whitefeld -- John de Arundell - 1385 - Penmark, Glamorgan, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Possible NPE or Stolen Paternal Birthright 1385 ? Age: 22 Luccombe, Somerset, England court ruled this John was an "infant Bastard" and Henry St. John acquired the paternal estate of East Luccombe. Note: see story attached for definition of Bastard in Wales. - 1385 - Luccombe, Somerset, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 2 - Birth of child, Agnes St. John 1390 abt. ? Age: 27 Glamorgan, Wales She acquires Weobley from her grandparents, after it was passed to her father, John St. John of Weobley. She clearly fits this family. - abt. 1390 - Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 2 - Birth of child, Alexander St. John 1390 abt. ? Age: 27 Glamorgan, Wales C 1/1059/66: Stradlyng v Seynt John. Plaintiffs: Robert STRADLYNG, [grandson ?] and heir of Alexander Seynt John. Defendants: William SEYNT JOHN. Subject: Manor of Yughawley, formerly of John Seynt John, knight, father of the said Alexander. Glamorgan - abt. 1396 - Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 6 - Held the fee of Uchelolau 1400 c. ? Age: 37 Glamorgan, Wales PRO, C 1/1059/66; NLW Wales 22/Roll 7, Glamorgan Plea Roll. - 1401 - Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 5 - Received Thomas & Elizabeth Mowbray dower 1401 -1402 ? Age: 38 Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales receiver of the dower properties in the lordship of Gower held by Elizabeth Mowbray, dowager (widow) duchess of Norfolk. Griffiths, i, 131 - 1401-1402 - Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 2 - Steward of the lordship of Chepstow 1414 -1415 ? Age: 51 Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales for the Mowbrays; Earls of Marshal - 1414-1415 - Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Steward of the lordship of Gower 1397 -1421 ? Age: 34 Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales for the Mowbrays; Earls of Marshal; Cartae Glam. ed. Clark, 1427, 1428, 1481; R.E. Archer, ?The Mowbrays? (Oxf. Univ. D.Phil. thesis, 1984), p. 353. It is possible, as Griffiths suggests (i. 130), that St. John did not hold office continuously through per. - 1397-1421 - Gowerton, Glamorgan, Wales Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - abt. 1429 - Uchel-olau (High-light), Gwenfo, Glamorganshire, Wales, Great Britain Link to Google Earth
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  • Documents
    Reference: C 1/ 1059/66
    Reference: C 1/ 1059/66
    Description: Short title: Stradlyng v Seynt John.
    Plaintiffs: Robert STRADLYNG, [grandson ?] and heir of Alexander Seynt John.
    Defendants: William SEYNT JOHN.
    Subject: Manor of Yughawley, formerly of John Seynt John, knight, father of the said Alexander. Glamorgan
    Note: Mutilated.
    Date: 1538-1544
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record

    Heraldry
    St. John Shield
    St. John Shield
    Direct decendant of St. John at St. Jean-le-Thomas, Normandy, France

  • Sources 
    1. [S126] Cartae et alia munimenta quae ad dominium de Glamorganicia pertinent [Glamorgan Charters] (1910), Clark, Godfrey L., editor, (6 volumes. Cardif: William Lewis, 1910), FHL book 942.97 N2c; FHL microfiche 6035732-603573., vol. 4 p. 1469. (Reliability: 3).

    2. [S117] PRO, C 1/1059/66 ( Public Record Office (PRO), now the United Kingdom’s National Archives, at Kew, London) (Reliability: 3).

    3. [S282] Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent ...: 1348-1721 By Margam Abbey, Llandaff (Diocese), 43-45 (Reliability: 3).

    4. [S282] Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent ...: 1348-1721 By Margam Abbey, Llandaff (Diocese), 101-103 (Reliability: 3).

    5. [S282] Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent ...: 1348-1721 By Margam Abbey, Llandaff (Diocese), 126 (Reliability: 3).

    6. [S282] Cartæ et alia munimenta quæ ad dominium de Glamorgan pertinent ...: 1348-1721 By Margam Abbey, Llandaff (Diocese), 144-148 (Reliability: 3).


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