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Robert St. John

Male Abt 1172 - 1229  (~ 57 years)


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  • Name Robert St. John 
    Born abt. 1172 
    Gender Male 
    Occupation 1207 
    Robert de St. John participated in Oxfordshire Jury proceedings. (CRR, 1207-1208, 110.) 
    Charter 1208-1214  England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Robert de St. John witnessed a charter issued by Thurstan de Montfort of Beaudesert. (Vincent, op. cit. (2002), 34-35) 
    Death 1229 
    Robert de St. John died holding lands in Bilsington and Lessingdon, Kent by military fee, which were afterwards given to Hubert de Burgh alog with the custody and marriage of the heirs. (CCR, 1227-1231, 270.) The king had also given him land in Ulambourn, Berkshire and Rode in Somerset for his sustenance whilst in his service. (CCR, 1227-1231, 191, CCh R, 1226-1257, 115.) 
    Died 1229  Kent, England, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Notes 
    • Sometime between 1208 and 1214, Thurstan de Montfort of Beaudesert issued a charter notifying that he?d received the homage of William son of Walter de Charlecote for the vill of Charlecote, presumably on the latter coming of age. The first two witnesses to the charter were Thurstan?s uncle, Walter de Montfort and Robert de St John. (Vincent, op. cit. (2002), 34-35.)


      Who this Robert de St John was is not obvious, but he was probably representing an interest in the proceedings on behalf of Roger de St John, William?s putative step-father, with regard to Cecily?s dower - particularly as the St Johns do not appear in connection with any other Montfort charters. A contemporary Robert de St John is known to have been participating on a jury in Oxfordshire in 1207,112 which would imply, if he was the same as the attester, that he was a member of the family of Roger de St John of Oxfordshire, rather than the Halnaker branch. Another (or the same) Robert de St John died in 1229, holding lands in Bilsington and Lessingdon, Kent by military fee, which were afterwards given to Hubert de Burgh along with the custody and marriage of the heirs.113 The king had also given him land in Uplambourn, Berkshire and Rode in Somerset for his sustenance whilst in his service.114 Unfortunately nothing more definitive can be gleaned about Robert and his role as a witness, but it is intriguing nevertheless, adding to the impression that there was only one Cecily de Lucy.
    • https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-pat-rolls/hen3/vol3/pp462-464

      1245, membranes 8d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 1d
      Pages 462-464

      Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry III: Volume 3, 1232-1247. Originally published by His Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1906.

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      '1245, membranes 8d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 1d', in Calendar of Patent Rolls, Henry III: Volume 3, 1232-1247, ed. The Deputy Keeper of the Records (London, 1906), pp. 462-464. British History Online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-pat-rolls/hen3/vol3/pp462-464 [accessed 5 November 2018].
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      1245, membranes 8d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 1d
      MEMBRANE 8d.
      MEMBRANE 6d.
      MEMBRANE 5d.
      MEMBRANE 4d.
      MEMBRANE 1d
      1245, membranes 8d, 6d, 5d, 4d, 1d
      MEMBRANE 8d.
      Appointment of the abbot of Berdeneye, Henry de Bathonia, Jolland de Nevill and Richard de Bensted as justices to hold common pleas in the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk.

      The abbot of Croyland, Roger de Thurkelby, Henry de Bracton and Gilbert de Preston are in like manner appointed to go on eyre in the county of Lincoln.

      1245. April 19. Windsor.

      To abbots, priors and all other parsons of churches convened this Friday in Easter week at Maydenestan. As the pope has by his letters lately granted that the whole of the clergy of England shall grant the king a subsidy, wherein the king has not yet been satisfied, and the above persons are, as the king hears, to meet by the authority of the archbishop of Canterbury for the giving an aid to the said archbishop or the pope, the king forbids them to grant any aid without his assent to the archbishop or the pope or any other.

      MEMBRANE 6d.
      [Form of the writ for an aid for the marriage of the king's eldest daughter.]

      To all abbots and priors of the county, &c. who do not hold by knight service. As the archbishops, &c. who hold by knight service are making the king an aid for the marriage of his eldest daughter, and they are bound to make the king a like subsidy, the king is sending to them . . . . with the sheriff requesting them to give him an aid, so that at fitting time he may repay them (rependere), and they are to certify the king by these what aid they think of making him.

      And they are patent.

      Mandate to the sheriff accordingly, and he is to behave with prudence and diligence herein.

      MEMBRANE 5d.
      June 11. Westminster.

      Power to R. le Bygod, earl of Norfolk, W. de Cantilupo, J. son of Geoffrey, R. son of Nicholas, Philip Basset and Master Laurence de Sancto Martino to treat of peace between the church of Rome and the Emperor.

      [The names of those referred to on p. 454.] Philip Basset, William de Insula, William le Bastard, Roger de Leycestre, Alan de Esefeld, Ranulf de Mundevill: Henry de Sancto Paulo, Ralph the Cook, Philip Russel: William de Cantilupo, Richard de Spechole, Henry Hubot.

      Mandate to all archbishops, bishops and all prelates of England about to meet at the Council of Lyons not to attempt anything against the king's crown and dignity, on pain of the loss of the temporalities which they hold of the king.

      The like to those of Ireland and Gascony.

      MEMBRANE 4d.
      William de Bello Campo, Geoffrey de Langele and Richard de Wrotham are to deliver the gaol of Huntendon on whatever day they think fit as well of those whom Thomas Fromund of Themeford, approver, appeals, as of others, as it is commanded to the sheriffs of Huntendon, Cambridge and Bedford to bring to that gaol all those whom he appeals of fellowship of larceny.

      Protection with clause columus for William Heyron, going with John Maunsel to Wales, and exemption of him from suits of counties and hundreds and from all pleas except pleas de dote unde nichil habet, assize of novel disseisin and darrein presentment, so long as he is in those parts on the king's service.

      [The like for the following :?]

      Richard de Dovor.

      Robert Waleraund.

      John de Burgo.

      Peter Braunch.

      Richard de la Bere.

      William de Synago, staying with the queen, so long as the king is on his expedition in the March of Wales.

      William Bloet.

      Ralph son of Bernard.

      Reginald de Moyun.

      William de Moyun.

      John de Curtenay.

      Gervase de Horton.

      The earl of Albemarle.

      John son of Alan.

      Robert de Sancto Johanne.

      Walter de Dunstanvill.

      John de Busceby.

      William de Lancastre.

      William de Vescy.

      John de Nevill.

      William de Say.

      Geoffrey de Langele.

      William de Breusa.

      John de Gatesden.

      Hubert Hoese.

      Gerard Talebot and John Talebot.

      Alvred de Suleny.

      Robert de Gurnay, who is on the king's service in the parts of South Wales.

      William Lungespe.

      Geoffrey de Dinan.

      MEMBRANE 1d
      The like for Hugh de Coronis, staying in the munition of the castle of Gannok.

      The like for :?

      John de Haselwell.

      William de Boydel.

      Walkelin de Ardern.

      William le Rus of Pylesleg.

      Adam de Pereres.
    • https://www.british-history.ac.uk/cal-pat-rolls/hen3/vol5/pp356-358

      1263, membranes 21d, 20d
      MEMBRANE 21d.
      1263. Nov. 3. Oxford.

      Appointment of Peter de Percy to enquire whether William son of Thomas de Grimeston of Norton killed Richard de Stapelton in self defence or by felony; with mandate to the sheriff of York to provide jurors.

      [Nov. 11. Winchester.]

      The like of William de Wilton to enquire in the county of Hereford whether Philip de Patemer killed John de Otteford in self defence or by felony.

      [Nov. 23 Reading.]

      The like of M. de Littlebiry to enquire by jury of the county of Warwick whether Geoffrey son of John the Chaplain, killed Ralph Curcun in self defence or by felony.

      Dec. 9. Croydon.

      The like of Roger de Leyburn to enquire whether Thomas le Rus killed Geoffrey Coting in self defence or by felony.

      Dec. 8. Croydon.

      The like of Gilbert de Preston to enquire by jury of the counties of Rutland and Leicester touching a complaint made on behalf of Hugh Makedaunce, Adam Pac, Ralph Fot, Robert de Netelham, William Biton, Reynold Coberd, Ralph Stote, Richard son of Reynold le Provost, Griffin le Provost, William Doget, William Base, Adam de Boie, Robert le Charpenter, Doneki Doget, Geoffrey Richer, Reynold le Provost (Proieost), Richer Wimund and Ralph Richer that, whereas they were appealed by Christiana wife of Peter de Langeham, and Emma her daughter of the death of William, son of Peter de Langeham, who was killed at Thy, co Rutland, and because of this were taken and detained in the prison of Leicester, the said Christiana and Emma sued the said appeal in the county of Rutland while they were in the said prison, whereby they could not appear at the fourth county to stand their trial according to law and the custom of the realm, and were outlawed by judgment of the county of Rutland, and he is to enquire whether they were appealed by hatred or because they were guilty; and if they were not guilty, who are guilty. By K. and C.

      The like of the same to enquire whether John Colber, William Colber, William Enlesik, Nicholas Morker, Hugh Stote, Robert Pain, William Pain, Richard Brian, Richard Ascelin, Roger Swain, Robert Doget, Richard de Sutlavil, Richard Parleben, Richard le Provost and Richard de Torp, taken and detained in the prison of Rutland for the death of the said William, etc.

      [Dec. 12. Windsor.]

      The like of the same to enquire whether Walter de Royil killed Walter Cole in self defence or by felony.

      [Dec. 12. Windsor.]

      The like of William de Englefeud to enquire whether that place in Winchester where the king's mews are, is ancient demesne of the king or an escheat, and if an escheat, whether the king can give it to whom he will; and its yearly value.

      MEMBRANE 20d.
      Dec. 20. Windsor.

      The king denies that he has attempted to bring foreigners into the realm and does not authorise the collection of undue tallages for defence against foreigners, because he has no need of such defence. Most of the barons are on his side, and he hopes soon to repress those that are against him. He will always keep his oath made at Oxford. Directed to all persons of the counties of Warwick and Leicester.

      The like directed to all counties.

      Mandate to the sheriffs of Warwick and Leicester to cause these letters to be read and proclaimed in the full counties, hundreds and good towns of the respective counties.

      The like to all sheriffs. [F?dera.]

      Dec. 19. Windsor.

      Appointment of Henry de Bratton to enquire by the vicinage of Litleham who came to the manor of the abbot of Shireburn in Littleham and carried away his goods.

      Dec. 23. Windsor.

      The like of William de Axemue, keeper of the lands late of Hugh de Ver, sometime earl of Oxford, to extend the said lands in the counties of Middlesex, Essex, Norfolk, Suffolk, Cambridge, Huntingdon, Buckingham, Bedford, Northampton, Leicester and Kent; and mandate to him to take the escheators with him and go in person to the said lands.

      Dec. 24. Windsor.

      Appointment of John de Warenna as keeper of the counties of Surrey and Sussex, with mandate to all persons to be of aid with horses and arms and their whole posse when called upon; though they are still to be intendant to the sheriff.

      The like mandate to the tenants of Peter de Sabaudia in Surrey and Sussex to be of aid to the said John.

      The like to the tenants of B. archbishop of Canterbury, in those counties.

      Dec. 24. Windsor.

      Notification to the said John of his said appointment; and the king has commanded the sheriff to cause his said letters to be read and published.

      Appointment of Alan la Zuche as above as keeper of the counties of Devon, Somerset and Dorset.

      Mandate to him in the same form as to the said John. Et sunt patentes.

      The like of Philip Basset in the counties of Wilts, Berks and Oxford.

      Like mandate to him.

      The like of Philip Marmiun and Andrew Luterel in the counties of Nottingham and Derby.

      The like of Reynold son of Peter, Robert de Sancto Johanne, and John de Sancto Walerico in the county of Southampton.

      Mandate to each of them in the same form as to the said John.

      The like of Roger de Leyburn in the county of Kent and all men of that county, the barons of the Cinque Ports, the tenants of the seven hundreds of the weald and of the castle of Rochester are to be intendant to him.

      Mandate to him as above.

      The like of Roger de Clifford and John Giffard in the counties of Gloucester, Worcester and Hereford.

      Mandate to him as above.

      The like of Roger de Mortuo Mari, John son of Alan, John de Verdun, James de Aldithele, and Hamo Lestrange, in the counties of Salop and Stafford.

      Mandate to each of them as above.

      The like of John de Baillol, Robert de Nevill, Peter de Brus, Ralph son of Randolf, Peter de Malo Lacu, Stephen de Meinil, Roger de Lancastre, Eustace de Baillol, Adam de Gesemuth, Peter de Percy and Adam de Monte Alto, in the counties of York, Northumberland, Cumberland, Westmoreland and Lancaster.

      Mandate to each of them as above
    Person ID I105551512  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database
    Last Modified 5 Nov 2018 

    Father Thomas St. John, II, of Stanton-St. John,   b. 1090-1130,   d. bef. 1176  (Age 45 years) 
    Relationship putative 
    Family ID F4862  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsCharter - Robert de St. John witnessed a charter issued by Thurstan de Montfort of Beaudesert. (Vincent, op. cit. (2002), 34-35) - 1208-1214 - England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 1229 - Kent, England, UK Link to Google Earth
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  • Photos
    St. Johnstown Castle, Tipperary, Ireland Memorial
    St. Johnstown Castle, Tipperary, Ireland Memorial
    shows the heraldry of a Knight's Templar (6-escallop) and de Lucy (3 pike)

    Property/House name: St Johnstown
    Description: St Johnstown originally belonged to Matthew Jacob, whose only daughter and heir married Richard Pennefather of New Park in 1782. Wilson refers to it as the seat of Mr. Jacob in 1786 but their second son Matthew J. Pennefather was resident at St Johnstown in 1814. In 1837 Lewis records St Johnstown Castle as "consisting of a high square tower in good preservation, [it] is the property of James Millet Esq who has a modern house in its immediate vicinity". The buildings were valued at £31+ in the early 1850s, James Millet was still the occupier holding the property from Stephen C. Moore. Buildings are still extant at the site.
    Townland: St Johnstown



    Civil Parish: St Johnstown
    Poor Law Union: Cashel
    DED: Cooleagh 45
    Barony: Middlethird
    County: Tipperary
    OS Sheet Number: 62
    OSI Grid Reference: S230 411
    Latitude / Longitude: 52.52087
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