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John St. John, Knight; alleged son of Thomas St. John, of Stanton-St. John; Treasurer of Limerick; Bishop of Ferns; Fought in Battle of Acre 1189-1191

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  • Name John St. John 
    Suffix Knight; alleged son of Thomas St. John, of Stanton-St. John; Treasurer of Limerick; Bishop of Ferns; Fought in Battle of Acre 1189-1191 
    Born c. 1160 
    Gender Male 
    WAR 1189-1191  Palestine Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Fought as a Knight in the Siege of Acre 1189-1191 
    Publication or Record Date 3 Jul 1221  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    998. Grant during the pleasure to John de St. John, for his maintenance on the King\'s service, of the lands of Drummenac and Tyrnwer, which Hugh de Bernevall held on lease from King John. Mandate to the justiciary to give him seisin thereof. Further grant to John de St. John, for his good service to King John and the K., of a lease of the K.\'s manor of New Castle, as the justiciary had demised it to him. Shrewsberry. [Close, 5 Henry III, page 1, membrane 5] 
    Publication or Record Date 6 Jul 1221  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    999. The K. to Henry Archbishop of Dublin and Geoffrey de Mariscis, justiciary of Ireland. Acknowledges 1,693l. 2s. 8d. of the aid and promises of Ireland received by the hands of Thomas Fitz Adam, William Heose, John de St. John, Geoffrey de Turevill, and Ralph de Norwich. Worcester. [Patent 5, Henry III, page 1, membrane 2] 
    Publication or Record Date 15 Jul 1221  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    1000. The K. to the Archbisop of Dublin. Sends to Ireland John Mar\', Thomas Fitz Adam, and John de St. John, praying the Archbisop to have faith in what they shall tell him on the K/\'s behalf touching the state o that country. Westminster. [Patent 5, Henry III, page 1, membrane 2] 
    Fact 1 bef. 1223  Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Treasurer of Limerick 
    Publication or Record Date Apr 1223  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Easter (aft. April 14 and before April 26) 1223.

    1097. Writ to John de St. John and the Barons of the Eschequer, Ireland, to restore to Walter de Lasey (Laci or Lacy) 10 marks, to which amount he had been surety for Roger de Tuit in a fine for 20 marks for Roger\'s release from prison. [Memoranda, L.T.R., 7 Henry III, m. 12 dors.] 
    Publication or Record Date 26 Apr 1223  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    1099. The King commits, during pleasure, to John de St. John the custody of the vacant bishopric of Ferns. Mandate accordingly to the Archbisop of Dublin, justiciary of Ireland. St. Albans. (Close, 7 Henry III, page. 1, membrane 13] 
    Publication or Record Date 27 Apr 1223  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    1100. The King to the Dean and Chapter of Limerick. Grant to Geoffrey de St. John, on resignation of John de St. John, of the office of treasurer of the church of Limerick, with the prebend appertaining thereto, which belong to the King\'s gift owing to the vacancy of the church. Mandate that the Dean and Chapter induct Geoffrey, and assign a stall in the choir and a place in the chapter to him. St. Albans. [Patent 7 Henry III, page 1, membrane 4] 
    Publication or Record Date 27 Apr 1223  Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    1101. Grant during pleasure, to John de St. John, of custody of the vacant see of Ferns. Mandate that the knights and free tenants of that see be intentive and respondent to him accordingly. St. Albans. [Patent 7 Henry III, page 1, membrane 3] 
    Fact 1 1223-1253  Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Bishop of Ferns 
    Died 1243-1253  Tipperary, Ireland, UK Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Record Status 28 Sep 2018 
    Record Complete  
    Notes 
    • Before continuing their descent, however, I must revert to the male line, represented by Roger's brother Thomas.

      He was living at Stanton St. John in 1166, and bestowed lands on the monks of St. Peter's, as his father had done. His son, Sir John de St. John, went with Coeur de Lion to the Holy Land, and, at the siege of Acre, was one of the chosen knights whom the King, " on the inspiration of St. George, had distinguished by- causing them to tie a thong or garter around the leg." According to another account, the King himself tied on this leathern thong " (for such he had then in hand), whereby being put in mind of the future glory that should accrue to them, with assurance of worthy rewards if they overcame, they might be roused up to behaving themselves stoutly in the wars, &c." Further, " after a long interval of time and divers victories obtained by him, the King, returning to this country, determined to institute this most noble Order of St. George, on whose protection
      the English so much relied." This account of the origin of the Knights of the Garter was given in 1527 by the Master of the Rolls at the investiture of Francis I. ; without vouchsafing a reference to any historical proof, or explaining its application to the mysterious motto, " Honi soit qui mal y pense." It is
      almost needless to say that it has not been accepted by modern authorities. " Even admitting that Richard L did make use of this device in the Holy Land, as a signal or distinction of a party going out on some warlike exploit, yet that he thence had occasion to frame a distinct Order of Knighthood afterwards, there is not the least mention, or any ground to imagine." ? Ashmole.


      https://archive.org/stream/battleabbeyrollw03battuoft/battleabbeyrollw03battuoft_djvu.txt page 116-117
    • John's father Thomas died between 1168-1176 when Thomas' brother Roger came to hold Stanton-St. John, probably as guardian of the minor heir, John.

      Roger, being dead, in 16 John (King John Lackland, 1215), Geffrey de Luci gave three hundred Marks for the Wardship and Marriage of his Heir, whose name was John. [Rot. Pip. ????. Oxon.]

      Roger St. John retained Stanton-St. John which passed to his son John.

      28 Sep 2018 Suzanne St. John
      Source information comes from The Baronage of England after the Norman Conquest by William Dougdale
      https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A36794.0001.001/1:6.181?rgn=div2;view=fulltext#DLPS23757
    • Richard, Coeur de Lion resolved on the third crusade to Palestine. The King crossed the Channel in December 1189, and Richard de Camville shortly afterward appointed one of the admirals of the English fleet.

      In June 1191, the King went into Acrew, where the siege was still proceeding. Here he became one of the recipients of what was afterward, by King Edward III, established as The Most Noble Order of the Garter. The garter was only a symbol of unity; and as such, Richard I. tied thongs of leather around the legs of many of his knights while waiting before Acre.

      Among the knights thus distinguished, Sir John St. John and Sir R. de Camville are mentioned.

      Note: Richard de Camville's relationship to the Harcourts. This John's cousin, another John St. John married Emma Harcourt. (28 Sep 2018 Suzanne St. John)

      pg. 12
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    • 38 KNIGHTS' FEES IN COUNTIES WEXFORD, CARLOW AND KILKENNY Seventy years later the St. Johns are found in possession. No doubt they were of the family of John de St. John, who was Bishop of Ferns, 1223-53 ; Geoffrey de St. John who succeeded him as Bishop ; and Nicholas de St. John, Archdeacon of Ferns, who in 1284 administered the estate of one Adam de St. John1 . In 1324 Geoffrey de St. John, Nicholas Hay and John Sygnitt (? S3<-nnott) were free tenants of Aylmer de Valence, Earl of Pembroke, holding 5 carucates of land in Thahttomesan (Tacumshin), and 4 carucates and 52 acres, as free tenants of the manor of Rosslare, in Ballymor, that is Ballymore in Forth2. This Geoffrey was probably the ancestor of John de St. John, who died in 1375/6, holding lands in Tilladonan, and leaving a son and heir John, a minor3 . These lands, of which Richard Whittay was made guardian, were held of Sir Walter de Mauny, deceased, the second husband of Margaret, Duchess of Norfolk, whose father, Thomas de Brotherton, had had a grant of most of Earl Roger Bigod's estates on his death in 1306. This John de St. John was Constable of Wexford Castle in 1322-44 and Sheriff of Wexford in 13225. Half a century later Matthew de St. John died (1422) holding 2 ploughlands in Ballymore of Ankaret, daughter and heir of Gilbert, Lord Talbot and on her death of John Talbot, lord of Wexford, Gilbert's brother (they were the representatives of Aylmer de Valence, of whom Ballymore was held in 1324) and also 2 ploughlands in Tylladowan, held of the King in chief6. He also held lands in Monyfin and the advowson of the church of Taghmohagyr. In 1430 the King pardoned Andrew St. John all intrusions &c. in the land of Tamahagyrt, Tyllaghdowan and Munsyn, co. Wexford, and confirmed his status in them7. He may have been the unnamed tenant of the feodary of c. 1425. Finally, in 1472, there is a record that David de St. John brought a plea before Parliament that he had been ousted from a house and 100 acres ©Is Ma uandp house si r h n ci C mmi o i t of land in Taghmohaggyrsras o and s n 3 ploughlands in Monsyn8. In the Stuart period Tilladavin was held by the Rossiters9. The early forms, Taghmohaggyr &c., confirm the suggestion that Tomhaggard is 'the house of St. Mosacer" (sagart, a priest, with hypocoristic mo) 10.
      2 Duiske Charters, pp. 35, 64-5, 85-6. '- Inqn. p.m. Aylmer de Valence (Cal. Iiiqns. p.m.). 3 Cal. Pat. and Close Rolls, Ireland, 93. 4 Hore, vol. v; 65. '-Ibid., 108 . 6 Egerton MS. 75. 'Cal. Pat. and Close Rolls, Ireland, 250. 'Annuary, R.S.A.I., 1870, p. 51. » Inqns. co. Wexford, Jas. I and Chas. I. 10 Grattan Flood, ' Diocese of Ferns,' 164.

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    • 24 and n. 45 and n., 51, 155-6, 189. ??? Stephen (of Affane), 216-7, 219, Effin (Effyng), 141 and n. 221, 223, 225, 236 and n. ; Ely, bishop of. See John de Hotham. Basilia his wife, dau. of Meiler Elyocarroll, 202. de Bermingham, 223 ; Matilda, Elyston (? Ballyellis, q.v.). his wife, 223-4. Enach (? Ballanagh, q.v.). Exeter, Priory of St. Nicholas, 53., Enfant, Walter le, 149 n., 150 n. ; 100, 122, 146-7, 155, 213, 216. Joan de Nottingham, his wife, 149 n., 150 n. 'Engleys. See Anglicus. F. Enna Cennselach, 133 n. Fananierin (Fanenern, Fathneryg),. Enniscorthy (Ineschorthy, Inscordy), 168, 171. 7, 44, 129-30, 137 and n., 138, 140 ; Fanken, 91. St. John's church, 44, 142 and n. ; Fanning (Fanyn), Henry, 213. St. John's priory, 44, ]42 and n. ??? John, 213. Ennisnag (Insnag), 242. ??? Richard, 213 ; Thomas, his son.. Erard. See Ullard. 213. Ercedekne. See Archdeacon. ??? Thomas, 212, 237. Erke (Eirke, ? Ercekerrach), 179, 182. __ (]6th cent.), 187. Erley (Erlegh), Henry de, 243, 245, Farrenamanagh (Fernemanagh. 248 ; Clemencia, his wife, 245. Monksland). See Killann. ??? John de (I), 244-5. ?? John de (II), 245. Farrenbroc, 230. Fassabentre, 7. ?? John de (III), 243, 245-6 ; Fathely, 185 n. Muriel, his wife, 246. Fathneryg (Fathneraghe). See Fan­ ?? John de (IV), 246 ; Elizabeth, his wife, 246. anierin. ??? John de (V), 243, 246. Faushangan, 32 n. ??? Philip de, 245 ; Roesia, his wife. Felde, Robert de la, 71 ; John, his. 245. son, 71. ??? William de, 245. Fennagh (Finwaugh), 83. Erley, Newtown of. See Earlstown. Fennell, Purcells of, 186, 263. Fenoagh (Finmach), 64. Erleystown. See Earlstown. Fernegenel (Fearann na g-Cenel, FarrErnye (Hernie). See Salmon Leap. ingmall), 7, 46 n., 53-4, 123, 130-1,, Erris, 221, 224-5. 134, 135 and n., 145 ft., 201 n. Esmonde (Estmund), Andrew, 126 nFernhamon, 112. ??- William, 126 n. Ferns, 7, 137, 173. Essex, Gilbert de, 11, 34, 99, 121, 163. ??? abbey of, 117-8, 164 n. ; abbot.. Even. See Castle Eve. h ©Is Ma u ci s o See si r i n sr t C mmi o p sn John. Everard, Roger, 162. ?? archdeacons of. See Reginald deExeter (de Exonia, Dexter), John de Dene, Nicholas de St. John. 221, 223-5. ??? bishops of, 7, 13, 23-4, 38 n.,. ??? John, son of John de, 225. 115, 13i>, 145. See Patrick ??? John, son of William de, 226. Barrett, Albin O'Molloy, Geoff­ ??? Jordan de (I), 220. rey de St. John, John de St. ??? Jordan de (II), 50 n., 158 n., John, Robert Whitty. 219-25 ; Ismania, his wife, dau. Ferrers, Thomas de, 199, 200 n. ; of Stephen Devereux, 220-3. Anne, his wife, widow of ??? Jordan de (III), 221, 223 and n. ; Edward le Despenser, 199, 200 ? wife, Baruaba, 223 n. n. ??? Jordan de (IV), 224-6. ??? William de, 200 n. ??? Meiler de (I), 221. Ferrycarrick (Carge), 151. ??? Meiler de (II), 221, 223. 225. Fertagh, 182. ??? Meiler de (III), 221, 223-5. Fethard (Fytherid), 103, 104 and 11.,, ??? Meiler de (IV), 225. 105.

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    • KNIGHTS' FEES IN COUNTIES WEXFORD, CARLOW AND KILKENNY 163".
      Robert FitzStephen had a brother William son of Hay, who is. mentioned (as William Walensis) in an Irish charter of FitzStephen's, 11 but there is no evidence that he was ever in Ireland, and he is unlikely to have been the ancestor of the Hays of co. Wexford. A William: son of Hay was a witness to a Wexford charter of early date (c. 1200 or earlier)2, Richard son of Hay witnessed Hervey de Montmorency's, charter to Dunbrody, 1178-11823 and that of Gilbert de Essex; concerning Crook, co. Waterford, 1192-5.4 He may have been father" of Robert son of Richard Hay who witnessed a fine concerning: Dunbrody in 1222.5 Adam Hay was a juror in co. Wexford in 1283 8 ;: and Adam Hay was sheriff of the liberty of Wexford in 1302 7 andi was killed in 1305.8 A later Adam Hay, who occurs in 13499 was presumably he who was tenant of this fee in 1324 and probably is, to be identified with Adam Hay of Kilscoran, Barony of Forth, whooccurs in 1345. 10 In that case these Hays were the Hays of Kilscoranj. Several other Hays occur as free tenants of Aymer de Valence iiv 1324. Richard Hay held 1 carucate in Balycoolan and 1 carucatein Balyconhur; Thomas Hay 1 carucate in Balylyn11 ; the heir of. James Hay, Henry Wytteye and Richard Pers 1 carucate in Balykylt;. Geoffrey de St. John, Nicholas Hay and John Sygnitt (? Synnott) 5 carucates in Thahccomessan (Tacumshine where the Hays were settled until Stuart times).

      Co. WEXFORD 30. Liskinfere, barony of Gorey. name

      ©Is Ma u ci s o si r h n sr t C mmi o i sn fees p place
      \ J Leskin. (illegible) fee in Liskene.

      1247 Nicholas Avenell 1324 heir of Nicholas Avenel c. 1425 no name

      1 Exeter Charters, no. 28. 2Ibid., no. 39. 3 Chart. St. Mary's, ii. 152'. 4 C.D.I, iii, 666. 5 Chart. St. Mary's, ii. 179. " Here, v, 93. 7 Cal. Just. Rolls, i. 395. 8 Ibid. ii. 466. » Hore. vi. 200. 10 Ibid., v. Ill, note. "Balylyn. is perhaps Ballylung an alternative name for Killiane, a parish in Forth (Inqns. co. Wexford, no. 22 of Chas. I), where according to the Rev. J. F. M. frrench the. Hays were established before it passed to a junior branch of the Cheevers family of Ballyhally (Journal, R.S.A.I., 1895, p. 410). In 1335 William son of Walter Hay of Killethan occurs (Hore, v, 111). This is presumably Killiane.

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    • 136 KNIGHTS' FEES ix COUNTIES WEXFORD, CARLOW AND KILKENNY the possession of the Beaumonts, the overlord (who died in that year) being Thomas Mowbray, Earl of Nottingham, Earl Marshal, who, on behalf of the King, had received Art MacMurrough's submission. But the Beaumont possession was only nominal; the Kavanaghs continued in effective occupation. The barony of Cowelelyene, which again probably stands for Kynalayone, was one of their principal possessions in Mary's reign when it was held by the tanist of the sept (see no. 7). From the inquisition of James I's reign, quoted above, it appears that after the extinction of the Beaumonts' interest, following on the attainder of their descendant Francis Lord Lovel in Henry VII's reign, the legal possession of these lands became vested in the Crown. Elizabeth granted the manor of Dipps to the Earl of Ormond, and that of Shelela to Sir Henry Harington, retaining the rest. In 1577 a commission was issued to Bryan M'Caheire M'Arte Cavanaughe to execute martial law in the Baronies of Symolyn, Balkan and Monckland, co. Wexford, upon his own people and no further. Here Balkan is Ballyanne (see no. 7) and Symolyn is St. Mullin's, co. Carlow. In the Stuart inquisition denning the extents of the baronies of co. Wexford, Scarawalsh which extended northward to the country of the Kinsellaghs, contained as one of its territories Kylcolnelyen or Kylcowlnelyen. This is presumably Kynaloh or Kynalayone, as above. The Duffry remained in the possession of the Prendergasts and of their descendants, the Rochfords. That descent may now be traced, and it will be shown that, while the Duffry went to the Rochfords, one of the Prendergast heirs, the share of the Cogans, the other Prendergast heirs, was not confined to the Prendergast lands in co. Cork, as has been previously supposed, but included part at any rate, and presumably r hthe n sr t C mmi i and Kynaloh in co. all ©Is Materritories of Schyrmal i u ci s o s o p sn Wexford. In the year 1226-7 John (de St. John) Bishop of Ferns came to an agreement with Philip de Prendergast and Maud de Quency his wife concerning lands in dispute with the Bishop, who claimed them as belonging of right to his church of Ferns1 . From this document it appears that the Bishop had brought a suit in the Ecclesiastical Court
      1 The agreement was made in the llth year of Henry III and confirmed by Gerald de Prendergast, Philip's son and heir, in the 15th year. The deed was enrolled by Sir Henry Wallop, the then owner of the Duffry, in 1595. An abstract is given in Gal. Pat. and Close Rolls, Ireland, Eliz., vol. 2, p. 329, and it is transcribed in full by Thomas P. Prendergast in Journal, R.S.A.I., 1864, p. 147, and annotated by Orpen in Here's History of co. Wexford, vi, p. 344.

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    • 110 KNIGHTS' FEES IN COUNTIES WEXFORD, CARLOW AND KILKENNY There is almost conclusive evidence that this was Disertmachen, thechurch of which was granted by Thomas Boscher to the Priory of Kells in Ossory (below). Disertmachen was in the diocese of Ferns; and the date of Thomas Boscher's charter is between 1223 and 1253 1 . And the facts that the grant was made by Thomas Boscher, and that at the date of the Dissolution of the Monasteries the Priory of Kells held the rectory of Ballyen,2 co. Wexford (apparently the only church it held in that county) prove that Disertmachen is Ballyanne. As for this later name for the place, it seems reasonable to connect Balliaten (Ballyethan, Ballyhethan) with the family of Hetton or Hethan, of whom Henry Hethan was perpetual vicar of Balihethan, c. 1231, and had a son whose name was written Thomas Hetton3. By dropping the aspirated ' t', the modern Ballyanne would be formed.
      The earliest record of the name Bosher in Ireland seems to be that of David Boscher who gave his name to ' villa David Boscher ', now Busherstown, co. Carlow. This was before 1212*. Judging by the fact that c. 1228 this place was called ' villa Laurence Boscher '5, the descent of Busherstown was different from that of Ballyanne. In the 1247 feodary the tenant of Ballyanne occurs in the Latinizedform, ' de Bosco ', and c. 1258 the name appears as Boschus (below).. These forms suggest that the name Boscher means a woodman or one who dwells by a wood. A Thomas Boscher, perhaps the tenant herein 1247, witnessed a fine concerning Dunbrody of the year 1204.6, and a grant by Philip de Prendergast in Bantry of c. 1226 7 . Earl Richard Marshal's charter of the forest of Ross, 1231-4, begins by tracing the boundary from the place where the water which comesfrom the mill of Thomas Boscher falls into the water of the Barrow. As noted above, Orpen identified this stream with that which flows into the Barrow south of New Ross and forms the boundary between i so s the parish of ©Is Ma u ci s the parish n Old Ross ; but, as. St.r h n sr t C mmi iof Mary's, Ross p o and the Bosher manor was Ballyanne and not Ballylane, this stream is probably to be identified with that which runs through the grounds
      ijohn de St. John, Bishop of Ferns (1223-1253) was a witness. - Fiants Hy. VIII, 242 ; Eliz., 308. A list of the possessions of the Priory, dated 1412: (Gal. Pat. and Close Roils, Ireland, 199b) includes the church of Ballyetha(n) in the diocese of Ferns. At the date of the Dissolution (1540-1) the Priory held the rectory of Beyllyen in. co. Wexford (Extents of Irish Monastic Possessions,. p. 192). 3 Ormond Deeds, i. 623, 624 ; cf. also 833. 4 Regr. Kilmainham, pp. 140, 152. 5 Irish Monastic and Episcopal Deeds, 3, 305. 6 Chart. St. Mary's ii.. 179, dated the year after the death of R., Bishop of Waterford. This is probably Robert, dead by 1204 ; if the second Robert is meant, the date is 1222. ' Duiske-Charters, no. 18.

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    • KNIGHTS' FEES IN COUNTIES WEXFORD, CARLOW AND KILKENNY 67 of the Marshals (for it does not occur in the feodaries) but of an intermediate lord. Rodbert, the father of these three sons, may have been the head of the Welsh family. If so, he must have had an elder son from whom de Valle of Ballycarnall
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      descended (see Valence fees, no. 31). About the year 1200 Gilbert de Valle granted to the Hospital of St. John the Baptist, Dublin the advowson of the church of St. James of Artbristlin (Ardristan) with the consent of J. (John, 1192-1201} Bishop of Leighlin, for the souls of his father Rodbert and his mother Joete.1 Among the witnesses are Stephen de Valle, Hay de Valle, and the Lady Basilia (Strongbow's sister and wife of Raymond le Gros). Hay and Stephen de Valle are shown by a charter of Hay's to have been his brothers.2 This grant of Gilbert de Valle, dominus fundi, was confirmed by H. (Herlewin, 1202-17) Bishop of Leighlin. 3 About the year 1210 Githin de Valle held Ardristan, confirming to the Dublin Hospital the above grant of the church of Ardbristin in Fodered (Forth).* In the 1247 feodary Reginald de Valle held 1 fee in Ardristan, and at the same date Reimund (sic, read Reinold, i.e. Reginald) de Valle held £ fee in co. Kilkenny at Theolechan, that is Inchyolaghan or Castleinch (see Kilkenny fees, no. 26). The two fees were in fact held by the same branch of the de Valle family, and their descent was identical. The name of the tenant of Inchyolaghan in the feodary of 1247 entered on the Patent Roll of 1279 is John de Valle, so we may conclude that Reginald died about that time, and was succeeded by John. John de. Valle was succeeded in Ardristan by his son, another John, who in 1293 by final concord in the court of Earl Roger Bigod, at
      name to Griffin (of which it seems to be a variant), Raymond's brother. The date of the above charter I about 1200. c p C mmi i © isi Ma u r t sixty years o Sir Jordan de r h n s About o s later s is sn Valle confirmed this charter of Sir Hay de Valle. (ibid. no. 420). It is likely that this man is the same as a Jordan de Valle, who occurs a little earlier, when he granted (before 1253, when John de St. John, Bishop of Ferns, one of the witnesses died) the churches of St. Andrew and St. Brigid of Mathelcon (Regr. St. Thomas's, 185), Sir Hay de Valle his son being a witness. Mathelcon is the modern iloyacomb or Clonegall, barony of Scarawalsh, co. Wexford, on the borders of co. Carlow. In 1303 Oliva and Roysia, the heirs of Robert de Valle, held 3 knights' fees in Matheikon of the Earl of Ormond (Red Book of Ormond, 3) and this is probably Moyacomb. 1 Regr. St. John the Baptist, no. 409. 2 Hay's charter, above (Regr. St. John the Baptist, no. 418) ; Gilbert, Hai and Stephen de Valle witnessed the charter of William de Burgh of the church of Ardoyne, co. Carlow (Regr. St. Thomas's, p. 104) before 1202 (cf. Orpen, ii. 147) ; and Gilbert de Valle with Stephen and Hay his brothers witnessed the grant by Robert de Canteton of the church of Barragh, co. Carlow to St. Thomas's (Regr. St. Thomas's, p. 106). 3 Regr. St. John the Baptist, no. 410. * Ibid,, no. 411.

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    Person ID I105550610  St. John Origin and Ancestry DNA Database
    Last Modified 30 Sep 2018 

    Father Thomas St. John, II, of Stanton-St. John,   b. 1090-1130,   d. bef. 1176  (Age 45 years) 
    Relationship putative 
    Family ID F4862  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family _____ de Luci, alleged daughter/sister of Geoffrey de Luci and Juliana Despenser? 
    Married abt. 1216 
    Children 
    +1. Geoffrey St. John, alleged son of John St. John, Bishop of Ferns; Treasurer of Limerick; Bishop of Ferns,   b. abt. 1220,   d. 1258, Ireland Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 38 years)  [putative]
    Last Modified 28 Sep 2018 
    Family ID F398744  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

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    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 998. Grant during the pleasure to John de St. John, for his maintenance on the King\'s service, of the lands of Drummenac and Tyrnwer, which Hugh de Bernevall held on lease from King John. Mandate to the justiciary to give him seisin thereof. Further grant to John de St. John, for his good service to King John and the K., of a lease of the K.\'s manor of New Castle, as the justiciary had demised it to him. Shrewsberry. [Close, 5 Henry III, page 1, membrane 5] - 3 Jul 1221 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 999. The K. to Henry Archbishop of Dublin and Geoffrey de Mariscis, justiciary of Ireland. Acknowledges 1,693l. 2s. 8d. of the aid and promises of Ireland received by the hands of Thomas Fitz Adam, William Heose, John de St. John, Geoffrey de Turevill, and Ralph de Norwich. Worcester. [Patent 5, Henry III, page 1, membrane 2] - 6 Jul 1221 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 1000. The K. to the Archbisop of Dublin. Sends to Ireland John Mar\', Thomas Fitz Adam, and John de St. John, praying the Archbisop to have faith in what they shall tell him on the K/\'s behalf touching the state o that country. Westminster. [Patent 5, Henry III, page 1, membrane 2] - 15 Jul 1221 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Treasurer of Limerick - bef. 1223 - Ireland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - Easter (aft. April 14 and before April 26) 1223. 1097. Writ to John de St. John and the Barons of the Eschequer, Ireland, to restore to Walter de Lasey (Laci or Lacy) 10 marks, to which amount he had been surety for Roger de Tuit in a fine for 20 marks for Roger\'s release from prison. [Memoranda, L.T.R., 7 Henry III, m. 12 dors.] - Apr 1223 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 1099. The King commits, during pleasure, to John de St. John the custody of the vacant bishopric of Ferns. Mandate accordingly to the Archbisop of Dublin, justiciary of Ireland. St. Albans. (Close, 7 Henry III, page. 1, membrane 13] - 26 Apr 1223 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 1100. The King to the Dean and Chapter of Limerick. Grant to Geoffrey de St. John, on resignation of John de St. John, of the office of treasurer of the church of Limerick, with the prebend appertaining thereto, which belong to the King\'s gift owing to the vacancy of the church. Mandate that the Dean and Chapter induct Geoffrey, and assign a stall in the choir and a place in the chapter to him. St. Albans. [Patent 7 Henry III, page 1, membrane 4] - 27 Apr 1223 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsPublication or Record Date - 1101. Grant during pleasure, to John de St. John, of custody of the vacant see of Ferns. Mandate that the knights and free tenants of that see be intentive and respondent to him accordingly. St. Albans. [Patent 7 Henry III, page 1, membrane 3] - 27 Apr 1223 - Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsFact 1 - Bishop of Ferns - 1223-1253 - Ireland Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 1243-1253 - Tipperary, Ireland, UK Link to Google Earth
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